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Why I hate Twilight

twilight … let me count the ways…

Okay, this was always going to be a contentious idea, to write a piece about why I hate a book.  I mean, it’s all subjective isn’t it? One man’s meat and all that. And I just don’t go round willy nilly hating books, and I certainly don’t talk about them here if I do. But there are certain things about Twilight which are downright wrong and I think these things should be talked about if only to get other people talking about them.  And Stephen King started it…

So, first off I’ll give you my position on the whole Twilight saga phenomenon.  I have read the first book, Twilight, in fact I read it in about two days, flat out, couldn’t put the bloody thing down.  (I think there are drugs impregnated in the paper.)  All the way through I was groaning and moaning, slamming the thing down only to pick it up again five minutes later, then getting so annoyed I’d shut it away in a cupboard and then hear it singing to me… “Eve, Eve, come read me… you know you want to… (honestly, drugs I tell you!).

What is the book about?  Erm… vampires and romance, I guess – but no sex, definitely no sex.  Bella goes to stay with her dad, she meets beautiful Edward in Biology, then Edward isn’t in Biology, then he’s back in Biology again, they play baseball and he glitters, there’s a big fight (during which Bella is unconscious – more on that later), she’s rescued, the end.

So, let me count the ways…

1) It’s very strangely written, almost like an accountant’s dissertation on the difference between gross and net…

I stared at the deep-voiced boy, taken aback, but he was looking away towards the dark forest behind us. He’d said that the Cullens didn’t come here, but his tone implied something more – that they weren’t allowed; they were prohibited.  His manner left a strange impression on me, and I tried to ignore it without success.

… the girl is supposed to be 17 years old for gawds sake, she sounds like an old man smoking a pipe and wearing a cardigan with leather elbow patches.

But that’s not why I hate Twilight.

2) Nothing happens!  Abso-bloody-lutely nothing.  I kept waiting for the excitement and tension and the fulfilment of the promises given in the first line of the Preface…

I’d never given much thought to how I would die – though I’d had reason enough in the last few moths – but even if I had, I would not have imagined it like this.

… would you not have expected something wild and terrorising after this?  It is a book about Vampires after all.  But no… pages and pages of touching and looking and angsting and Edward not being in Biology, and then him being there, and then not… and nothing momentous at all.  And then, when there is an opportunity for a big fight and loads of action Bella passes out and we miss it! WTF??? I threw the book at the wall at that point (only to retrieve it 10 minutes later and start reading again… really it was the drugs!).

But this isn’t why I hate Twilight.

3)  Everyone is beautiful and the way they’re described is almost nauseating. I got to the stage where I wondered if I could survive reading any more about alabaster skin and billowing caramel hair and perfect lips.  Ack!

The thing about all of this though, is that Bella is supposed to be totally unremarkable.  She’s goofy, accident prone (to the point of being almost a clown, unable to walk in a straight line without falling over!), she isn’t sporty, she isn’t pretty and she doesn’t relate well to other people… then she comes to this town and tah-dah everyone is in love with her.  Not just the gorgeous, alabaster, billowing perfect Edward… but everybody!  How did that happen?

This is not why I hate Twilight but it does lead me on to…

4)  It is the most obvious Mary Sue story in the history of literature.  It has to be.  All the things that happen are just far too good to be anything but total wish fulfilment for Stephenie Meyer.  I know writers all put some of themselves into their books but jeeeez, there’s a limit to how far they should go.  There’s a fabulous piece on Cracked which illustrates my point far better than I can.

But this isn’t why I hate it.

5) There are many, many, many other annoying things – the plot holes the size of the grand canyon, the deus ex machina, the creepy 100 year age gap between the main characters, the sparklyness, the fact that Bella’s smell turns Edward on – not her witty conversation, not her intelligence, or her kindness …

… we’re getting to the reason why I hate Twilight…

6)  I had always felt deeply uncomfortable about the way this book portrayed Bella.  At the start of the book she seemed pretty clued up, a normal teenage girl.  By the end she was a lying, pathetic, characterless stooge and all thorough the actions of one man… the hundred and odd year old Edward Cullen.

Her smell turned him on so much that she had to try to stop smelling so he wouldn’t kill her.  She had to keep herself chastened, for fear of sending him into a feeding frenzy.  She apologised all the time for being herself.  She trailed around after him like a lovesick puppy and eventually she could barely stand up without his help.

“Get in,” a furious voice commanded.

It was amazing how instantaneously the choking fear vanished, amazing how suddenly the feeling of security washed over me – even before I was off the street  as soon as I heard his voice.

He commands her, he’s livid with her, he gives her instructions and she follows every single thing he tells her to do.  She surrenders her mind, body and spirit to this guy without a second thought.  She lies to her father to cover up what this boy is and tries desperately to keep him and his family a secret…

… this is why I hate Twilight!

The girls reading this stuff are as young as eight or nine years old, I know, I’ve seen them buy it and I’ve seen their parents buying it for them… and their parents have never read the book themselves.  At that young age girls have not yet formed opinions or attitudes and they’re ripe for influence.  An article in the Guardian gives a brilliant account of exactly the way I feel about this.  I won’t go into the fact that the author is a Mormon and has admitted that she has used her real-life attitudes in her writing (read my point 4. for back-up about this!), but I will stress that there are some questionable motivations and opinions in this book which could be influencing a generation.

So yes Twilight does appear to be addictive, it does have some totally cheesy writing, some wooden characters, some gawdawful plot points – but all of these are totally forgivable (hell I read Flowers in the Attic about a million times when I was twelve!).  But the thing I won’t forgive is the portrayal of women as weak-without-a-man creatures who need told what to do and who should follow exactly what their men tell them without question… that’s a dangerous message to give our children.

About Eve Harvey

Eve Harvey is a bookaholic. She is forever to be found with her nose in a book. If there are none around then newspapers, magazines, the back of cereal packets, road signs or the tiny washing labels found on the seams of jumpers will do. Eve used to have full time job as a children's bookseller and she was the very first Waterstone's Children's Expert Bookseller in Scotland. Her first love was definitely literature for children and teens, about which she has nerd-level knowledge. However she has since become involved in grown-up books and has co-written her first adult novel with Cath Murphy. Eve and Cath Podcast, blog and have far too much fun on their website Domestic Hell. Eve lives in a field just outside Edinburgh in Scotland with her daughter and son and two dogs and two rabbits. She also has some tanks of tropical fish and vows one day to start up a marine aquarium. And the day she signs her very first publishing deal she is going to celebrate by buying a pair of Horsefields tortoises. You can find Eve through her Agent, Ella Kahn at DKW Literary Agency. She's also on Twitter or on her website : EveHarvey.com

173 comments on “Why I hate Twilight

  1. Jackie
    March 7, 2009

    This was a great review, starting out funny & ending in fury. Well done!
    I’ve been thinking about reading this series just to see what all the fuss is about, but I have a feeling it would cause the same reactions in me as you’ve described. I would get very angry at the man controlling everything a woman does. That attitude was bad enough a hundred years ago, but to portray a modern girl with no backbone like that is a disservice. It’s revealing that this quality has never been mentioned in any of the reviews I’ve read, which makes it seem almost subversive. I was constantly hearing about the bad influence of Harry Potter, which sounds far less dangerous. Of course, it was mostly Fundamentalist Christians who protested Potter & this old-fashioned subservience is more in line with their thinking.
    I agree that this is not a good message to be sending a whole generation of girls,not all of whom will mature into a better, more advanced view of a woman’s role in relationships.That’s a lot scarier than vampires.

  2. Lisa
    March 7, 2009

    Dear Lord, Eve. Consider me well and truly put off Twilight. I am shocked.

  3. rosyb
    March 7, 2009

    Me too! Just read the Mangan article you linked to (I always like her) and I had visions of Surrendered Wives all the way through. Argh. And more argh.

    The idea that it is all the woman’s responsibility to behave a certain way with men all the time and that men’s actions are women’s responsibility makes me choke. Didn’t that go out with the ark?

    An eye-opener, Eve. I didn’t know anything about this book except that it’s popular. Is it all part of the growing abstinence and being a virgin trend going on these days?

  4. rosyb
    March 7, 2009

    PS – And what is that cover suggesting? Eve and the apple? Holding the temptation in her hands and guarding it? All the connotations there are a bit dodge too.

  5. Nikki
    March 7, 2009

    I absolutely loathe Twilight. But here’s a confession… I’ve never read it. A friend had the sequel New Moon on holiday and I read a few chapters and she had to restrain me from throwing it into the pool. It was so poorly written that I could have cried. I know so many people who have been rejected by publishers, but this got published! Then there’s the actual content. All that seems to happen is that Edward glitters and then she is torn between him and Jacob. It’s just so relentlessly DULL! Your points, your main problems with this book, I agree with. Bella’s passiveness is too terrifying to even be properly irritating.

  6. kimbofo
    March 8, 2009

    I have been sooooooo tempted to read these books but I’ve researched them to death to the point where I now know they’ll make me as angry as hell to read them. Your wonderful review has only confirmed that. Thanks for having the courage to provide the other, never-mentioned point of view because the way these things are flying off the shelves you’d think there was something very special about them. (I was going to say the books suck, but that might be pushing the vampire pun too far, no?)

  7. Kari
    March 8, 2009

    What a fantastic review.

    I sometimes feel as if everyone I know is trying to convince me to read these books. Last term, one of my students described Twilight as “the next Harry Potter“; others bring the books to class and sit there reading avidly until the lecture begins. All of these students are young women, and most of them declare that the books are the best things ever and I really need to read them now. Yet…every description of Twilight I have heard has made me want to gouge out my own eyes. Do we really need another stupid story about a helpless, whining girl who swoons over an immortal with a tortured soul? Is it not possible for well-written stories about strong and intelligent girls and women to become popular? For pity’s sake, teenagers…read some of Tamora Pierce’s stuff. It’s fantasy. It’s exciting. The protagonists are not helpless. There are occasionally (very) brief lovey-dovey bits, though they never take over or destroy the actual story. Why oh why oh why can’t people get all obsessed over Tamora Pierce? Just for fun? And as a personal favour to me?

    Sadly, it does seem as if a lot of girls are attracted to Twilight-quality pseudo-romance. Excuse me while I go find a corner in which I can quietly weep for humanity.

  8. Brian Clegg
    March 8, 2009

    When I started reading this I kept thinking, ‘Yes, but it must be good writing in some way, because Eve kept coming back to it, so it’s okay really.’ But I guess that’s like saying ‘Hitler must have been a good orator, because people were really excited by what he said, so he must have been okay really.’

    I think (I hope) my 15-year-old who likes the Twilight stuff is mature enough not to face the dangers a 9-year-old reading it would. I always hesitate to say ‘don’t read that’ to her a) because that’ll make her want to read it more and b) I do believe people ought to make their own mind up about books, not follow the herd without having read them.

    But argh, you make it difficult, Eve. I think you should set up as an agony aunt for parents whose children like Twilight.

    Dear Aunty Eve,
    What should I do?
    Worried of Wiltshire

  9. brideofthebookgod
    March 8, 2009

    I’ve been dithering over reading Twilight for a long time, largely because a number of people whose opinions on books are important to me really rate this series. I do love a good vampire story, but something in the back of my mind has been telling me to keep away. It’s good to hear someone articulate what I’ve suspected.

  10. Nikki
    March 8, 2009

    Also, the descriptions of love in the book aren’t about love. Strangely, it describes an obsessive crush rather than actual true love. And it all seems to hinge on outward appearances – Bella “loves” Edward because he’s pretty and glitters (I have issues with the glittering) and Edward “loves” Bella because she smells scrummy. Perfect!

  11. Moira
    March 8, 2009

    You lot do realize, don’t you, that you’re engendering in me an almost OVERWHELMING desire to read one of these things just out of curiosity?

  12. Camille
    March 9, 2009

    Check out this fab Bitch Magazine article on Twilight as ‘abstinence porn’.

    http://bitchmagazine.org/article/bite-me-or-dont

  13. PookyStew
    March 9, 2009

    Eve,
    I loved your review! I completely understand about the drugged paper the publishers used. 😉 I could not put this series down and read it several times through and still can’t get enough, but have the hardest time telling why. WHY???

    I agree, I don’t want my 9 year old niece reading it because Bella does give in to Edward right from the get-go and seems pretty spineless. By the end of BD, she does stand up for what she wants in her own way and we see a bit of development, but not terribly much. Not enough to be a good strong role model.

    As a grown woman, I see this as a really long paperback romance. I too read Flowers in the Attic about a gazillion times in those early teen years and as gripping as it was then, I find now that the writing wasn’t great at all, it was just a good story. And that is what I have concluded about Twilight as well. Even with the thousand and one mentions of the word chagrin. 🙂

  14. Clorinda
    March 9, 2009

    Hmmm, well your review is what I expected from Vulpes. I just don’t understand why this blog keeps on reviewing popular or genre fiction – all you do is “diss” it….

    That said, I do agree with you – I’ve read all the Twilight series and at lot of the issues you raise, I thought too. However, I don’t hate it. I love it.

    Yes parts are badly written, yes, it’s not exactly the ideal material for a young girl to read. But after thinking long and hard about why I loved it, I came to this conculsion:

    It took me back to my teenage years where it’s very important for a girl to be popular with boys. It lets a girl live out the fantasy of having a boy protect and obsess over her. He’s good looking, and he just wants her.

    It’s a fantasy – what’s wrong with that? Why does every book have to live up to some feminist ideal?

    What I found and you didn’t mention was how a 100 year old wouldn’t patronise a 17 yr old. What interest would someone that old and with that knowledge have in someone so young?

    Also, the biggest thing I found unbelievable is how Bella wouldn’t eventually just get fed up with Edward and move on….At 17/18 this can happen very quickly.

    I find the comments by people who hate the books but haven’t read them, as bad as the Christians who won’t read Harry Potter because of the magic in them. You just can’t diss a book when you haven’t read it.

    Sorry, but despite many issues with the books (many of which I share with you), I loved the escapism in them. I’m not looking for reality – if I was, I’d read the news….

    I guess this is just something you don’t quite get….

  15. kirstyjane
    March 9, 2009

    I have to say I think we do something rather important here on VL – taking genre literature seriously. And if those many and rather disturbing issues leap out and strike Eve, then why should she not write about them? Incidentally, we’ve written quite a few positive reviews of “popular” fiction (says the Fox who moonlights as a chicklit maven and Kate Lace/Katie Fforde enthusiast).

    I did love this review – I wish more reviewers would speak up frankly, like Eve did here, about their perception of a book. And it’s hilarious too.

  16. Clorinda
    March 9, 2009

    But you fail to see genre literature as entertainment.

    Some people don’t want to think about stuff, I don’t – I get that enough in my life and work. I want to switch off and be taken to somewhere else.

    It’s like soap opera on TV….I don’t watch them, I don’t like them, but I don’t review them because I’m going write a bad review…however good the acting, however good the script.

    I never said you don’t take genre fiction seriously. But I think you take it *too* seriously. That’s the problem…..

  17. Kari
    March 9, 2009

    Clorinda: The assumption that genre literature exists strictly to entertain and cannot, by definition, contain any meaning that goes beyond entertainment is one that a lot of genre writers find pretty frustrating. I don’t think Eve is denying that Twilight is entertaining (she couldn’t put it down, after all)…but acknowledging a work’s entertaining qualities doesn’t mean you have to examine nothing but its entertaining qualities. I read fantasy to be entertained until my eyes bleed, but I’d rather read well-written, nuanced fantasy that presents characters with actual personalities than poorly written, mindlessly derivative pulp. Terry Pratchett is as entertaining as you’re going to get with fantasy; he’s also an extremely clever man who satirises his chosen genre even as he embraces its conventions. The Harry Potter books are page-turners that are also designed to make readers think…not to mention hunt out the myths and folk tales on which they rely for some of their elements.

    If you don’t want to think about stuff, don’t think about stuff. The Foxes generally seem to want to think about stuff. They write articles about the stuff about which they want to think. You read the articles and then, presumably, start thinking about stuff. If the Foxes didn’t think about stuff, they would have no reason to write the articles. “Wow…that book is entertaining!” is not the kind of statement likely to give rise to a thousand-word article, no matter how true it may be.

    Now, if you’ll excuse me, I must return to my twenty billionth rereading of The Princess Bride. Wow…that book is entertaining.

  18. kirstyjane
    March 9, 2009

    DISCLAIMER: these views are entirely my own and are not intended to be any kind of VL mission statement or other such.

    I don’t think taking it seriously is a problem in the least – any reviewer of any book is entirely allowed provide opinions for those who want to read them. After all, something can be both artistically interesting and great entertainment, or one, or the other. Speaking purely for myself, I think that there’s a lot of stuff sold as genre or popular lit that has real merit, that raises interesting questions and that absolutely deserves to be thought about. Or perhaps it takes on some really interesting or problematic topic, and there’s a perspective to be seen there. It’s fine not to like that, of course, but it strikes me as rather odd to read it then complain about how it’s exactly what you expected.

    If something is out in the public forum, and is creating a great deal of interest and reaction (and in the case of something like Twilight) attachment among readers, why not read it and give an opinion? I think it would be rather condescending to write off all genre fiction as unworthy of a genuinely interested and critical perspective. I’d hate to do some of my favourite books that disservice.

  19. rosyb
    March 9, 2009

    “If you don’t want to think about stuff, don’t think about stuff. The Foxes generally seem to want to think about stuff. They write articles about the stuff about which they want to think. You read the articles and then, presumably, start thinking about stuff. If the Foxes didn’t think about stuff, they would have no reason to write the articles. “Wow…that book is entertaining!” is not the kind of statement likely to give rise to a thousand-word article, no matter how true it may be.”

    Oh that paragraph is priceless, Kari! Hee hee. Yes. (I think.) Umm.

    Clorinda – well I agree with you that people shouldn’t mindlessly slag off stuff they haven’t read. But all that happened here is that Eve voiced her very well-thought-out and expressed opinion and other people have said if it’s as you say, that sounds a bit worrying. But a lot of people are obviously off to take a look now so they can form their own opinion.

    I don’t think there’s any shame in a good dose of feminism. Not enough of it about these days if you ask me amongst all the pink pink pink pink pink girlified media culture.

    For myself, I’m inclined to agree with Brian Clegg. I don’t believe teens are THAT impressionable – or at least I think they are but by peers and images and the whole shabang that is out there. I think people have to come to stuff themselves and make up their own minds. I read Narnia without turning a hair as a youngster and didn’t pick up/wasn’t particularly interested in the underlying Christian message so maybe it’s more a case of you can convert those who want to be converted or who are already converted. Or something.

    But look.

    I think there is another issue here and that is that popular culture always carries messages and meanings – it can’t help it just by being popular it is a barometre of what is going on. And the fact that there are certain ideas in Twilight that reflect stuff that is going on now is surely valid for discussion. In fact, you could argue that it is MORE important to discuss popular culture than the rarified “high art” that is the interest, pursuit and affects so few in comparison.

    As for soap – there is some fantastic stuff in there. I’d say that soap can be up there – as sophisticated, ironic, tongue-in-cheek, self-knowing as anything else. Entertainment aint easy and therefore is up for discussion.

    🙂

  20. Clorinda
    March 10, 2009

    **deep sigh in exasperation at no one listening to me….**

    I think I’m going to start reviewing literary fiction on my blog….It won’t be pretty.

    I don’t do highbrow…

    By the way, before I sign off, I would like to point out that Eve has not told you all the full context of the quote from Twilight: “Get in”….

    Bella was about to be gang raped and Edward has “come to her rescue”, so the context of the quote she has chosen has not been explained fully.

    (Feminist comments about women being rescued by a man may start now….but NOT until you’ve read the book please.)

  21. Lisa
    March 10, 2009

    Eve has reviewed loads of popular ‘genre’ fiction that she has enjoyed very much.

    Some of her reviews can be found here:

    https://vulpeslibris.wordpress.com/category/entries-by/entries-by-eve/

    A reader doesn’t have to hate genre fiction in order to think that Twilight is garbage.

    However, Clorinda, good on you for coming on here and arguing in favour of Twilight. You’re obviously not alone in enjoying these novels.

    I shall ask my 13 yr old niece what she makes of the books, since I suspect she’s more the target audience than I am. I think it would be really interesting to get a teen perspective on this.

    P.S For me the Twilight series sounds about as appealing as a steaming pile of turds, but I respect that other people feel differently on this issue. I enjoyed “Buffy” so perhaps I am predisposed to dislike its rival…

  22. Moira
    March 10, 2009

    I applaud Clorinda for having the courage to fight her corner … especially when so many people must actually agree with her, but are plainly keeping their heads down …

    I do, however, have to take issue with the contention – implicit in what you’re saying – that we’re ‘highbrow’ and only ‘do’ literary fiction.

    I think you may be thinking of some OTHER Vulpes Libris … I mean this is the uncrowned Chicklit Queen talking … the one who’s going to talk to the Romantic Novelists’ Association’s Conference in July … the one who wouldn’t touch anything she suspected of being ‘literary fiction’ with a ten foot pole. (Well, they occasionally sneak it past me in moments of weakness … but in general I avoid it like the plague …)

    And as Lisa says, Eve has reviewed a bucketload of genre fiction very enthusiastically – as have others here.

    Hers is by no means the only nay-saying voice I’ve heard on the subject of ‘Twilight’ … but hers IS the only one that’s admitted to having been unable to put the thing down – just like everyone else …

  23. Eve
    March 10, 2009

    Sorry I’m late back… I’ve had horrific computer trouble…

    Well, things have got lovely and discussiony here. Let me first say thank you all so much for all these interesting comments. And for joining in with what I had hoped would be a talking point… and it has been.

    Brian, I would say at 15 there’s really little problem, by then I’m pretty sure your daughter will have her own opinions already formed and just take from the story what applies to her and leave the rest. I don’t think you need worry at all 🙂

    Camille that is a brilliant link, thank you.

    Clorinda, I think your comments need more addressing than the others but first off thank you very much for them… it’s a great stimulus for discussion and gives me an opportunity to say a bit more.

    Initially, in answering some of your concerns here, can I clarify… I am the kids book person and I am without doubt the least cultured member of the fox-clan. I am Ms Popular-Lit if ever there was one… can’t really get my head round lit-fic very well at all. Twilight is absolutely my genre for reading.

    I am also not really a feminist either *gasp*… really I’m not. I love being taken care of and do the pathetic woman thing to get my husband to fill the car with oil and fix the broken toaster. All that swooning means loads of jobs get done I don’t want to do 😉

    I totally agree with you that Twilight took me back to the heady days of falling in love and rekindled those memories for me. I have to disagree about Bella moving on at 17 though, since I met my husband at the same age, fell head over heels and 24 years and 2 kids later we’re still together. So without a doubt it captures those feelings better than any book I’ve read in a long time.

    I did list a lot of the problems with Twilight that I saw, but none of them gave me reason to hate it… in fact I would have done a “Love it Despite…” piece if not for the ONE reason I hate it. I am assuming you are an adult and like many millions of adults are reading this book with adult formed opinions. BUT this is a children’s book and marketed as such and stored in the kids sections of bookshops.

    I believe, when writing for children, the author has a duty not to subject the kids to any fiercely held belief/opinion/attitude. Maybe I am a bit naive in this and maybe I’m wrong… but the author’s whole attitude right the way through this series is not a healthy one for young children to be reading about. And this book is being read by very, very young children… and why not, it is supposed to be a children’s book.

    Yes, I did take a quote from the aftermath of Bella being chased by some yobs… however, she was leaping into a car with a raging vampire who may or may not kill her at some point. But it was one of a load of quotes I could have taken, there are just so many points at which Bella gives up everything about herself and is no longer in charge of her own future or her own life. I am 100% in favour of romance where the man takes care of the woman… I love it! I believe this is really what young girls are after and why they read this book so avidly… deep down inside they want to be taken care of – and I don’t think there is anything wrong with that at all.

    BUT I am 100% against romance where the woman surrenders totally to this man and where she is blamed for his actions, where she is held responsible for his failures, where she must follow his every command and where she is forced to lie to cover up for him. That isn’t romance, that’s abuse.

  24. Trevor
    March 10, 2009

    BUT I am 100% against romance where the woman surrenders totally to this man and where she is blamed for his actions, where she is held responsible for his failures, where she must follow his every command and where she is forced to lie to cover up for him. That isn’t romance, that’s abuse.

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but it seems you think this is Mormon doctrine, or at least Mormon culture.

    I won’t go into the fact that the author is a Mormon and has admitted that she has used her real-life attitudes in her writing (read my point 4. for back-up about this!), but I will stress that there are some questionable motivations and opinions in this book which could be influencing a generation.

    Do you really think that this is how Mormons raise their daughters? Do you really think that Meyers is attempting to indoctrinate young girls with Mormon doctrine? I find your assumptions about a religious culture and about its people offensive, ignorant, and quasi-malicious.

  25. bookchildworld
    March 10, 2009

    No, it doesn’t appear that she thinks

    ” romance where the woman surrenders totally to this man and where she is blamed for his actions, where she is held responsible for his failures, where she must follow his every command and where she is forced to lie to cover up for him. That isn’t romance, that’s abuse.”

    is Mormon doctrine or culture.
    She was referring to the theme of sexual abstinence.
    I thought that was quite clear from the article.

  26. Clorinda
    March 10, 2009

    I have to say, since this review, I’ve seen a number of interviews with Stephanie Meyer on You Tube – just do a search on “Stephanie Meyer interview”.

    She says that she wasn’t trying to impart any message – just that she wrote what she wants to read. She also said that she didn’t write it for young adults/teens. She just wrote it for herself (I believe she is 33ish).

    I’ve also read the links to articles about Twilight that the others have left.

    If Stephanie Meyer is telling the truth (and I have no reason to think she doesn’t, she seems ordinary enough) then it just seems to me that people are over-analysing a love story.

    Eve – thanks for answering me. I hear what you are saying, but I always thought as I was reading it that Bella made the decision herself to surrender to Edward and I don’t see that as abusive. As long as she chose it for herself, who are we to argue? I feel that Edward gives himself to Bella just as much as she does to him. Perhaps the fact that he is physically stronger etc makes you think it’s an unequal partnership.

    By the way, have you read the other 3 books? In Eclipse, there are some very “controling moments” by Edward. I suspect you may have a fit of vapours if you read it….

    Also, one other thing – when Bella leaps into the car with a raging vampire – she doesn’t actually know he’s a vampire – she suspects it, and she is about to confront him about it….but she doesn’t actually know for sure….

    Clorinda

  27. Trevor
    March 10, 2009

    My apologies, Eve. I see it is more likely you were discounting that bit of information about Meyer’s religion that is mentioned in the Guardian article rather than give a slightly tongue-in-cheek emphasis on her religion by apearing to “not go into it.” I misread (I do think it’s a viable misreading of something that could be written better, but I miswrite things all the time!) and appreciate bookchildworld’s clarification.

  28. Clorinda
    March 11, 2009

    Eve, one further thing about my last post. I *am* assuming you haven’t read the other books in the series. This could be why I have a different attitude to the books than you do…

    In the later books, Bella has Edward wrapped around her finger, and she manipulates him to the point where he is a lap dog. (Another fantasy of girls?)

    This is especially true in the 3rd book “Eclipse”.

    I think there might be a lot of young men who might object to the later books.

  29. I HATE YOU ALL
    March 13, 2009

    Shame on you for saying such horrid things!!!!!!!!!!!!!! First of all I know quite a lot of people who talk above their age. Also, you obviously didn’t read the whole book; ” Nothing happens! Abso-bloody-lutely nothing. ” Are you forgetting the deadly tracker vampires, Bella being nearly killed? Ring any bells, MORON? Oh, and everything being described as beautiful, DUH!!! IT’S A ROMANCE NOVEL!!! So, I’d like to put it clearly; Anyone who insults this book without an actual, reliable, REAL reason for not liking it is atotal and complete idiot! I know what you’re going to say, ” Freedom of speech, Right of opinion.” , but you didn’t give any actual reason for disliking the book in any way!

  30. Moira
    March 13, 2009

    That’s a very subtle username …

  31. Hilary
    March 14, 2009

    I really enjoyed the article from Bitch magazine – thanks, Camille.

    I was taken by the frequency in the comments of the view ‘It’s rubbish, but least it has got teenage girls reading!’ I really despise that view myself, whatever the work in question. This is nothing to do with Twilight, which I have not read, and which has now gone quite a way down my To-read list. Obviously. Reading is to be encouraged as an essential life skill, and a source of infinite pleasure and fulfillment, but how dare we wish on reluctant readers books that we think are poor quality? If popular fiction, genre fiction, strong storylines are what catches the imagination and the teen zeitgeist, surely they can be well written, and coherent.

    But am I right to hold this opinion so strongly? What do others think?

  32. Moira
    March 14, 2009

    I’m in two minds (when am I not?). If something that I consider to be badly-written reactionary twaddle persuades someone who’s never read anything more demanding than a crisp packet to pick up a real book for the first time … then I think it’s served a purpose. One book could lead to others. True, to begin with, it’s only likely to lead to the rest of the series – Reactionary Twaddle Revisited, On the Beach with Reactionary Twaddle, Five Go Wild with Reactionary Twaddle – but it could eventually encourage someone to read something a bit more …. demanding.

    I might wish that they weren’t reading something that could rot their brain, but … heck … just be grateful for small mercies is what I say …

  33. Hilary
    March 15, 2009

    You’re all just stuck up on the feminist thing.
    “She depends on him, it’s just another story about a girl who is depending on a guy”

    BLAHBLAHBLAH, I HATE your review!
    and can’t stand feminist.

  34. Moira
    March 15, 2009

    Ah. Not OUR Hilary, I think … :mrgreen:

  35. Jackie
    March 15, 2009

    I’ve never understood why women are against feminists when almost anything that benefits women is the result of what feminists have accomplished= equal pay, votes, property rights, divorce rules, domestic violence laws, reproductive rights, health benefits, access to schooling, elimination of clothing restrictions, job openings, just to name a few.
    Maybe if more females learned what has been gained, they would be appreciative, or at least acknowledge it, rather than just being dismissively ignorant.

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  37. Hilary
    March 15, 2009

    Oops! Beg pardon, looks like I did have a little rush of blood to the head there …. except that I didn’t.

    (signed) The original, and best, Hilary, who is not sure that she likes having an alter ego, especially a post-feminist one … I must keep taking the pills.

  38. rosyb
    March 15, 2009

    Hee hee hee hee.

    Oh dear. Well I’m a feminist and have the hairy legs to prove it. Bring it awn!

  39. Kari
    March 15, 2009

    I am also a feminist and regard “post-feminists” in somewhat the same way as I regard people who believe reinstating slavery would be a darned good idea. If any “post-feminists” would like to continue to remark loudly that women should devote their entire lives to attracting men, they may go right ahead, but they should know that I shall be weeping tears of blood and screaming out my rage and despair in the dead watches of the night.

    To be fair…I used to love the Nancy Drew books. Nancy was smart and capable and always catching criminals, but she was also chloroformed and tied up a lot. I do have a theory that girls like adventure stories just as much as boys do, and they also like having heroines with whom to identify; if all we give them are clingy, helpless little idiots who need to be rescued every five seconds, the readers will take ’em. Instead of trying to smother the clingy-helpless-little-idiot books, we can maybe just go around promoting–and writing–the other stuff. Girls can choose their own poison…just as boys can.

  40. kirstyjane
    March 15, 2009

    I’d like to add my own feminist aside to Kari’s excellent feminist remarks, and say that if any “post-feminists” wish to proclaim their repulsion for the idea that women are, in fact, human beings and not objects to be used (which is what feminism really boils down to), that’s really just fine. “Freedom of speech, right of opinion”, as a previous poster put it (although I do not think she was being positive about either of these things, despite exercising both of them).

    But they should also be aware that the fact that (a) reading (b) a book by a female author (c) quite possibly bought with their own money in (d) their spare time – which is a very modern luxury particularly for us gals, when you think of it – and what’s more (e) complaining about all this in writing makes them *extremely* privileged compared to the generations of women who came before those awful feminists and their struggle to achieve the kind of things we now take for granted (see above). They may also wish to ask themselves why they feel feminism is such a pointless thing, when there are plenty of women in other classes and other countries who would love it if their biggest problem was someone on the internet disliking their favourite book.

  41. rosyb
    March 15, 2009

    “They may also wish to ask themselves why they feel feminism is such a pointless thing, when there are plenty of women in other classes and other countries who would love it if their biggest problem was someone on the internet disliking their favourite book.”

    This is exactly what I always think when people go on about how women are equal now and we don’t need to be feminists anymore. Who are “we” and how parochial is that attitude?

  42. rosyb
    March 15, 2009

    Err…I think we can safely assume that we’re a load of rabid old feminists then. Apart from Eve. And maybe a few others. *She says whipping out the old dungarees and flashing a hairy armpit*

  43. Moira
    March 15, 2009

    I always think of myself as more of a cantankerous old bat …

    I’ve got me Helen Reddy LP somewhere …

    “I am Woman, hear me roar … ” *Snigger*

  44. kirstyjane
    March 15, 2009

    Massively parochial, comrade Rosy, massively so. Living where I do, I can testify to that…

  45. Yasmeen
    March 19, 2009

    Incredible review. Unique opinion.

    I agree with the fact that the book is quite addictive as I am finishing the 3rd one myself, and to be honest I am in love with. However, it doesn’t let teen girls face reality, they become ignorant of everything around them, including their family. But as the girls start to imitate this ” Bella ” there is number of positive thing they might start to do a) she was unselfish b) she wasn’t obsessed with clothes and money c) she agreed to die in the place of someone innocent.

    So I don’t see the reasons why it should be banished to read, or just hated ’cause it brings some good values to the teenagers. Of course the love story seems to be too perfect and unreal, but I find it pointless to read something about boring everyday life and social problems. It makes ppl relax.

    However well done, Eve!

  46. em
    March 23, 2009

    Fantastic review, really rocks. Bella really iritates me because its as though she cant do anything without a man. http://avphibes.livejournal.com/370683.html?thread=4671739 try that sight. if you still like twilight then you really are an idiot.

  47. Driston Galvao
    March 30, 2009

    Excellent Review!

    You have really captured the feelings that some readers are feeling. I never understood why i couldn’t put the books down! It was soo frustrating and I was so angry! Now it is obvious that I was expecting some twist or something.

  48. Yasmeen
    March 30, 2009

    Actually, we all understand that the book is not a masterpiece, but still we can’t put it down ! So let’s just read, ’cause I think that soon this mania is going to pass.

  49. muthoni
    March 31, 2009

    right on sister. i may be thrown all the way on the other side of the world but preach it like it is. i am one of the many people who have watched the movie but not read the book and save for a few scenes, i actually like the movie. the book, will wait until another sucker buys it because i don’t discriminate against books, i just don’t buy the ones i have found to be 50% disliked by the world. p.s. are you a ‘tween’ i think it refers to people betweeen ten and twenty two years of age.

  50. jacob
    April 2, 2009

    Marry me bella.

    Cmon’ it isn’t supposed to win a pulitzer.. It’s a teen novel.

  51. Barbara
    April 3, 2009

    Bella certainly is NOT a Mary Sue! She’s whiny. She makes herself out to be this grand genius when she’s quite drab and dull. For instance, she claims to have read all of Shakespeare and Lawrence and all these great writers…. and writes dull, repetitious narratives straight from the thesaurus. Ever noticed how everyone “articulates” and “corrects” and never “says”? It’s a good idea not to become repetitious; it’s another to become a walking dictionary. And don’t you know? She’s this big “clutz”? How else is her big hero man going to save her and drag her around and command her any other way? She’s nasty to her friends, too. God forbid someone calls her mother when she’s in an accident or acts friendly to her face in school.

    Why is she so pale when she’s from Arizona? Did she live in prison all her life? I lived in Miami, and even though I was a nerd, I was still colored because of window light and going out for, you know, school. Bleeeh.

    Why did I come here and have myself reminded of this vomit?

    An excellent read, though. I pity you.

  52. BLAIR
    April 30, 2009

    I LOVE TWILGHT AND I THINK THAT PEOPLE SHOULD GIVE IT A CHANCE. I ALSO FIND IT FUNNY THAT SOMEONE WHO HATES THE BOOK WROTE AN ARTICLE ABOUT IT AFTER READING IT. OBVIOUSLY, IT’S A GREAT ESCAPE; EVE READ IT IN TWO DAYS FLAT. LET GO OF YOUR PREJUDGEMENTS AND READ IT FOR FUN.
    PS. I ALWAYS WRITE IN ALL CAPS, I AM NOT YELLING =)

  53. Riff Chick
    April 30, 2009

    ’nuff said

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  55. I_LUVES_RPATTZ
    May 4, 2009

    I love twilight, and im super obsessed but i loved this and i agree… but wth is a mary sue?? that confused me.

  56. Moira
    May 4, 2009

    A Mary Sue is a book in which the lead character is a thinly-disguised version of the author – a bit of wish-fulfilment.

    ‘Jane Eyre’ is the Grandmother of all Mary Sues!

  57. Camilla
    May 7, 2009

    Eve,
    With this review I finally realized what my subconscious wanted to tell me… Some things don’t make sence in the book. Some things are imcomplete…
    I read the book and I liked it very much ( I agree with you about the drugs on the paper ). Actually, now I’m reading Eclipse […]
    At first I wanted to be like Stephenie Meyer ( actually, I think I still want to write like her ), but then I heard wat someone on a wabsite said:

    “Stephenie Meyer, thank you for ruining my life.
    Before twilight, I was wide-eyed and hopeful in all aspects of life, including love. During twilight, I was just as enveloped in the idea that love is real, and being caught up in the force of love between Bella and Edward fed those fantasies that are fantasies for a reason (because that kind of love does not exist in the real world) and led me, ill-fated, down a road so overwhelmed with falsities that I would be here all night typing them out if I were so inclined.”

    I really appreciate who wrote this, I didn’t had words for what I felt inside about the fantacies, but she did.

    Like I was saying that opened my eyes and I realized what Meyer wanted to involve us… ( the drugs on the paper again )
    But that’s what the writers want, make a best-seller of their books… And that’s what she did. Now she’s rich.

    I don’t blame Stephenie for making that esay-to-obsess her Twilight Saga, but this is still being hardly fair.

    P.S: It has nothing to do with the movie. I really like Robert Pattinson (:

  58. BLAIR
    May 7, 2009

    EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THE BOOKS AND THEN THEY CAN CHOOSE TO AGREE WITH EVE OR NOT
    AGE 24

  59. Kristen P.
    May 8, 2009

    I agree with that Camilla…
    About the Mary Sue, check it out:

    A Mary Sue is a female fanfiction character who is so perfect as to be annoying. The male equivlalent is the Marty-Stu. Often abbreviated to “Sue”. A Mary Sue character is usually written by a beginning author. Often, the Mary Sue is a self-insert with a few “improvements” (ex. better body, more popular, etc). The Mary Sue character is almost always beautiful, smart, etc… In short, she is the “perfect” girl. The Mary Sue usually falls in love with the author’s favorite character(s) and winds up upstaging all of the other characters in the book/series/universe. There are several main types of Mary Sue:

    Victim!Sues: The Victim!Sue is your whiny, wimpy, pathetic female character who can’t seem to do much of anything except cry and get herself into trouble that the romantic interest of the fic has to rescue her from.

    { That last one is obviously Bella }
    Sorry.. I am not judging anyone!

    I like this review Eve! (:

  60. my name
    May 15, 2009

    For people who hate the book you sure spend a lot of time putting it down. No lives apparently.

  61. BLAIR
    May 15, 2009

    PERFEDT MY NAME PERFECT!!! =)

  62. BLAIR
    May 15, 2009

    *PERFECT

  63. Rachael
    May 17, 2009

    The person who put the comment,

    “For people who hate the book you sure spend a lot of time putting it down. No lives apparently.”

    Your saying we don’t have lives when you Twilight fans go around writing tons of fanfiction, trying to convince all the haters to love it, putting hours a day into watching Robert-Whatshisface, thinking about the book for hours, thinking when will my Edward come, and wasting your time reading those god awful books. You put more time into putting why you love it down than we put into why we hate it down.

    When it came out I loved Twilight, my life revolved around it. Then I gained common sense, and hated that I put so much time into those books and that I was such an idiot for agreeing with it.

  64. H
    May 18, 2009

    Yeah i really really hate the book 😦 Nothing happens at all 😦

    And lots and lots of adjectives that it makes you wanna puke D:

    I only have started to read it because of some girl recommending me the book and telling me how its the best book and i should read it and all but i really hate it -*-

    0/10 rating its just a waste of time, just reading the adjectives how someone is super cool fast, sexy, pretty, sparkly, strong, pale, insert 100’s more etc… without any real plot whatsoever =\

    Really disappointed and i think they should pay us for reading this and wasting our time… Don’t think its worth the paper its printed on 😦

  65. BLAIR
    May 19, 2009

    RACHAEL,
    THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT WE LOOOOOVE IT AND YOU HAAAATE IT, RIGHT?? =) I WOULD MUCH RATHER LOOK UP SOMETHING THAT MAKES ME HAPPY THEN LOOK UP STUFF THAT I HATE. SO IT’S FINE TO DISLIKE SOMETHING, BUT TO ACTUALLY HAVE A DICUSSION AND SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT IT….? WOULDN’T YOU RATHER LOOK UP THINGS THAT MAKE YOU HAPPY? THIS IS TO ALL OF THE MISERABLE NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON THIS WEBSITE!!! LOL

    *INCASE ANYONE WONDERS WHY I AM HERE IT IS BC I STUMBLED UPON IT AND APPARENTLY IF YOU COMMENT ON THIS PAGE YOU ARE AUTOMATICALLY SENT EMAIL UPDATES WHEN SOMEONE COMMENTS.

    PS I DONT SPEND MY LIFE ON TWILIGHT…. I LIKE IT AND MAKES LIFE A LITTLE MORE EXCITING, THATS ALL. NO BIGGY!

  66. Taylor
    May 24, 2009

    I totally agree with you. It’s like there’s drugs in the pages or something!

    Also, if anyone wants a good vampire romance with a better protagonist (as in she can survive without a man), read Tantalize by Cynthia Leitich Smith. It has some stuff from Dracula (the main character is a girl named Quincie Morris), but with a twist.

  67. Abby
    May 27, 2009

    Honestly, you guys haven’t read the whole series…Its probably one of the best things that have ever happened to my life. Yer… I know the obsessive obsessive people do get a tiny bit annoying but i cant blame them…and im not saying you have to love twilight, but if its not nice don’t say it at all. Personally I love twilight, but still im not saying to you guys “I LOVE twilight and you guys are just weird not to like it.” Not that you guys are being mean. But other people do say it to people. One of my friends is now upset because some one has being bulling her about being a fan. So just be carefull about what you say. And yes some people are WAY too young to be reading it especially the 4th book. But by my age (15) its fine i mean it would be fine for 13 year olds but probably no younger.

  68. Abby
    May 27, 2009

    I love twilight, but yes i do agree with you Kristen.P (about the not judging anyone)

  69. em
    May 27, 2009

    Abby, i am 13 but when i first read twilight i was 11. people read way worse books than that, so……… i get bullied ‘cos im the only 1 at my school who doesnt like twilight. i have read the whole searies and they just get worse. Also the film is just hilarius because its to intense. its just rubbish. why are you looking on this site if you love twilight?

  70. Sandie
    June 1, 2009

    I’m not good with words or describing why I like and dislike something, I’ve only read part of the first book and I can honestly say that I was able to put it down and never pick it up again. I couldn’t really pinpoint why I disliked it so except for the lack of research on the authors part, I get “Originality” but somethings like Vampirism you should stick to the strong roots of the folkloric legends, at least I think because honestly the whole Bedazzling and Sparkley skin is wrong. You have pinpointed most of the things I haven’t been able to figure out and explain for myself.

    PS I’m a V.C. Andrews fan and I think she’s a helluva better writer, I’ve been reading her books since I was 10 as “sick” as that is. But at least the female characters gain some strength and go through some turmoil that is a worth while read.

  71. Dori
    June 8, 2009

    Finally someone who doesn’t look at me like im crazy when i say i dnot like twilight… Bellas so dependant and plus no normal teenager would fall in that in love so fast with a guy who basically randomally comes up to some girl hates one minute and then loves her the next… CRAZY… the whole book reminds me of a Katy Perry song (HOT & COLD)!!!!!!!!!

  72. joy
    June 9, 2009

    I agree! I truly hate, abhor, and despise Twilight for all that it is! Gosh, why would people even read such crap? ‘New school vampires’ as they say but in what aspects are they vampires?! It doesn’t even attract me, who is a vampire lover. Twilight doesn’t have something to show off when it’s compared to other authors of vampire novels like Anne Rice who wrote the one of the best novels in the world like the beloved Vampire Chronicles. And the feud with the vampire and werewolves? I think I saw it in the movie underworld. Isn’t the feud almost the same? Not to mention, there is also a vampire-human love story.

    Even the whole movie made me criticize it all the more up till the end of the movie, really!

    Give me a break, Stephanie Meyer and and write something better that could actually level with Anne Rice’s books even for just a little bit even though I’m not sure you could.

  73. Katie
    June 13, 2009

    THANK YOU!
    The one thing missing was the absurdity of comparing Twilight to Harry Potter… but that is so ridiculous it doesn’t need to be debated.
    You have articulated my issues with twilight so well and your last point is excellent.
    Thank goodness that there is still some common sense in the world!

  74. Kiki
    June 15, 2009

    ZOMG! You actually read thru it to the end? I couldn’t stand reading 4 chapters of it, and then I already got sick of Bella, Edward and the whole bunch that goes along with them.
    Then I heard from others that the vampires sparkle, play baseball AND the girl is like…braindead and has more flaws… me thought: noooeees! Literature is going down? How can people like this? This can’t possibly be popular!

    *cry*

    thnx for the review

  75. Jane
    June 16, 2009

    i know!
    I couldn’t understand how addicting it was when it was such a dull plot!
    Twilight is horrible, and Harry Potter is way better.
    ;D

  76. Sarah
    June 19, 2009

    Finally somebody with whom I can share some of my opinions. No action, horrible style and so on. I just don’t get it why people are loving it. But I have this theory: people esp. girls tend to like stories about beautiful vampires falling in love with a human girl and either restraining himself from sucking her blood or turning her into a vampire.

    So all these females who love this series only love the plot in itself and they got themselfs worked up that these books will tell them the perfect vampire love story. And they stubbornly refuse to acknowledge that they are just plain bad(ly written).

  77. bleeding rose
    June 19, 2009

    I don’t hate Twilight but I do hate Bella! She piss me off all the time since Eclipse. There are reasons why I can’t stand here anymore :

    1. She cried and weeps and moans and groans more than ten little kids put together. She would certainly win the biggest cry-baby’s crown. At least one think to be the best of all, while she is so average and capable-of-nothing.

    2. She can do nothing. No playing guitar or piano or some other instrument. No languages speaking, well some Frenc and Spanish but only in beginner or elementary level, as she said in BD. So smart mind, no cleverness. NOTHING.

    3. She has a rotten sese of humour. Not funny at all. She’s good for nothing but stupidly joking.

    4. She has to be taken care of as a child. Edward does that. Especially in Isle Esme. He takes her to the island. He’s carrying the luggade. He’s unpacking and packing things. He cooks breakfast and dinner and supper (most of the time). He’s planning the calendar. He’s sometimes so bossy with Bella, comanding her. Bella is dependent on him. They are like Mussulman husband and wife, except that Edward doesn’t slight her. But sometimes she has Edward wrapped around her finger. Bella is asking him things, like sex. “Bella, what do you want? – I want this and that. – Ok, you can have it. – Edward, I want to stay longer here. – We’ll be here as long as you want.” Sound like child and dad having a chat. Really.

    5. Bella is very indifferent to Edward feelings. She doesn’t care that how hard it is for Edward not to hurt her while making love with her.

    6. Bella does not love Edward as much as he loves her, but she’s incapable of spend a few hour without him. I think he’s just a need for her, a lust. But not love.

    7. I hate the most that Bella doesn’t defend Edward when Jacob is swearing him. I wanted to strangle her when Jacob showed Edward a memory of Bella being a zombie, it caused so much pain for him, and she simply stared and Jacob with wide eyes and said stop whatever you’re doing.

    8. Flushing and blushing too much.

    9. Always afraid of something or somebody. Flinching at the name of Volturi spoken aloud, always shivering and shuduring. Afraid even of Leah, in BD. Afraid of Kaure, though she mean well to her, just worrying. Such a coward, i can’t believe.

    10. It drived me mad that all the maled falls in love with her, or, if not in love, at least want her. Let’s see : Edward, Jacob, Mike, Tyler, Eric. Not little, huh? They find her shyness and blushing and awkwardness and weakness very attractive. Weird. I can understand that, though. But that’s weird.

    11. Bella is quite unobservant.

    So that’s all. In fact, at first I liked Bella. Before she met Edward, she was absolutely other person, strong, smart and mature. After meeting Edward, he became a eighteen years old child. That’s how love changes people, ha ha. Not funny.

  78. bella
    June 28, 2009

    i am in luv with twilight…i hav red all the books and i own the movie 🙂 nothing about twilight is great…everytime that i watch it i fall more and more in luv with it…:)

  79. audrey
    June 30, 2009

    i thought that twilight was a great book while i was reading it, now it’s ok i do think it’s a bit over rated though. i understand why u don’t like it, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and i still like it. i think harry potter is a better book though.

  80. audrey
    June 30, 2009

    i agree with bleeding rose, also is when she met edward, she completely blew off her other friends just to be with edward. i mean they were really nice to her and became friends with her when nobody wanted to be her friend, because she was the new girl.

  81. audrey
    June 30, 2009

    i don’t think it matters how old u r 2 b reading twilight because i’m 13. so i am considered a teen, but i don’t think it matters. but i think that if you r younger than 13 u shouldn’t be reading breaking dawn, because it is bad for kids to be reading about that kind of stuff that is in that book.

  82. Jasmin
    July 7, 2009

    You have a proplem, or?
    I love Twilight this is a graet movie… with krabat.!
    i´m schockd what you wrode here on this page.
    I hope you understand me :
    Ich Liebe Twilight über die ganze welt!!!
    i love twilight all over the world!!!

  83. Julianna and Vanessa
    July 12, 2009

    I second the notion that twilight is one of the worst influences on teens/kids, and im a teen!!
    -Julianna

    That is totally right! i agree that women will feel that they cant live without their ONE man and marry the first guy that tells them they love her! Argh…but thats one of many reasons.
    -Vanessa

  84. Marie
    July 15, 2009

    Very good reviews, Eve.
    I also have read the first book, Twilight and it’s funny because I had the same reactions as you that is, I was so appalled by the writing style at first (I thought that was easy writing, nothing very complicated, a mix of lots of common adjectives and very “clever/old” words) that I stopped reading for a while but then, I found myself picking up the book and reading on. There’s definitely a spell with that book. I guess I was curious to find ou how it ends. But I don’t feel like reading the other books so I don’t know how Edward is like in them.
    The other strange thing is that I’ve seen the movie recently and although I was disappointed with many scenes in it, just like I was disappointed with the book, I feel like watching it once more!!! And no, I’m not “in love”with Robert Pattinson but he manages to make his character much more interesting than in the book.
    I also don’t understand why Edward, a 100 year old is attracted to an ordinary teenager like Bella, except that her blood smells good. Maybe because the need to protect her (and dominate her) appeals to him.
    Finally, I think this book is such a phenomenon because it represents the ultimate fantasy for girls: an ordinary but sweet teenager manages to make the “bad boy”(=vampire here) fall in love with her. And there lies the danger to me, in real life, “bad boys” are really mean, they hurt good girls eventually, they do bad deeds. too..By the way, why isn’t Bella a little bit horrified by the fact that Edward has killed people?

  85. blair
    July 15, 2009

    Marie
    you should read the other books. its fun to be in fantasy world (i think). theyre not literary masterpieces, but theyre fun.

  86. anna corey
    July 15, 2009

    have any of you ever read the book ! it is my favorite book on earth. and you think all teenagers love it not all teenagers love to death. i think its a great saga what its about. and if you cant see that then you must be stupid. cause i’m 11 years old and i can see it. i’m on the forth book you should try reading the books there really good

  87. emily
    July 18, 2009

    anna

    yeh, ive read the books and they are just sexist. if thats your favourite book then i feel sorry for you. i cant belive she actually gets paid for writing rubbish. if you cant see that its rubbish your probably not the sharpest tool in the shed yourself. try reading somthing good like maximum ride. or if you feel your grown up by liking such rubbish try agatha cristie or somthing.

  88. Destiny
    July 19, 2009

    I loved your review, I read the whole Twilight series and didn’t think it was all that great I mean it was okay but it wasn’t worth all the drama and merch and I mean jeez. And Anna I’m 14 and I just didn’t think that Twilight was all that great and it clearly states that most people that commented has read the whole series or at least the first book. And it they didn’t this review just confirms that the saga isn’t that good.And just because they don’t like twilight or it’s influence on young adults does not mean they are stupid. To be quite frank I think Ms. Meyer is getting way to much credit for this story. It is basically the SAME as any other vampire love story I have ever read. I will admit that Twilight has done some good like getting young people into reading and a few other things but it has done more harm than good. Anna you did not give any valid reason why you like Twilight just it was a great saga, and if I have insulted you I am sorry it is just hard to take some one seriously when I can barely understand what they are typing due to bad grammer and unorganized sentences.

  89. Laura
    July 20, 2009

    I love this review.I’m glad you wrote it.I have read all four books in the series only to get an opinion on it.I’m sick and tired of the fandom saying “Have you even read the books” and once you go and read the “books” they go “OMGZ!If you hate them so much,why’d you read them?!!!!”
    Im 14 and I have written better school reports and narratives than any of the books in the Twilight saga.Im also sick of people bashing me saying that I can’t read and that I don’t know what good literature is.My favorite authors are William Butler Yeats,Oscar Wilde,Howard Fast,Baroness Orczy,Kim Newman,and a bunch of other great authors whose works are beautifully written.
    (Excuse my grammar.English is my second language)

  90. Jay
    July 20, 2009

    I have experienced first hand the influences on young girls. I’m around them constantly, and they not only obsess over these books, but then strive to act them out.

    It makes them pine over young men who are /not/ good for them, who are, in many cases, dangerous or just plain bad influences.
    They stop focusing on reading anything worth while, or researching/learning anything important.

    They all want to live in this world where they get swept off their feet by a handsome man, who was just obviously so miserable without them. I’s almost as if they stop developing into their own person.

    Not to mention the almost creepiness in how much control Edward has over Bella. It sends a horrible message.

    If I were a parent, I would not be too keen on buying this for my little girl/boy.
    In fact, I recommend against it.

  91. Libb
    July 21, 2009

    Okay, for those who said “you haven’t read the full series so please don’t judge,” Well, I had already read the who series and I thought that over all, if you were to cut half of the descriptions out, the whole saga can fit into “two”books. TWO BOOKS.

    I mean maybe if Steph didn’t go overboard with the descriptions, Twilight might have been okay. But my problem with the saga is how Bella is soooo obsessed because of Edward’s looks and that only. I mean seriously, if Edward were to be fat and ugly, Bella’s would not have liked him. But then again, vampires are suppose to be “beautiful”

    And…”love at first sight?”

    I don’t believe in that. Though there is LUST at first sight and the is what is between Bella and Edward…
    My health teacher actually told us that 😉

  92. angelic13
    July 22, 2009

    This is more a response to the Twilight-lovers taking the mickey out of this review: everyone is entitled to their opinion. EVERYONE. This article never once called lovers stupid, idiotic, moronic, or any other such insult. It was an opinion, a review, and one very well based.

    I have read all the books in the series before you start jumping up and down; don’t start the bruhaha quite yet. But even I can see the huge problems.

    No, I don’t agree with the subtle messages (and not so subtle ones) directed towards girls. No, I don’t think this type of literature should be used as a serious scapegoat for “at least girls are reading!” – honestly, that’s a load of bull.

    No, I am not a strictly lit-fic type of reader. I read a lot of genres (fantasy especially) and have quite a bit of experience on what I like and/or approve of. I cringe at the takes on vampires, I really do, but I can kind of grin and bare it (though the sparkling thing is just a bit silly, you have to admit, and there are plot holes involving powers and limitations).

    The romance is a bit abusive too; it is one thing for a man to be forward, step-up, and a gal to need a helping hand. It is another entirely for her to be a total sheep and for him to have mood swings faster than a pregnant woman with twins. Just because a woman can say Bella chose to do what she did of her own accord isn’t true. Sure, yes, to a degree she did. But a lot of things he does are bullying tactics; having been in an abusive relationship before when I was younger, I fully and completely understand that. But, unlike Bella, I have dreams and goals. Bella never has an other than “I love Edward;” though no real attraction is explained/explored.

    Yes, I am a writer. Yes, I write fantasy. Yes, I write romance – love is in life, embrace it! Am I feminist? No, not really. I am to a degree (a girl can be strong) but I am also classical (even a girl needs help); but the guy can need help too just as he can be the one be strong in a way a guy can. Because men and women are simply different in many ways. Isn’t variety grand?

    My female lead is both strong – takes a stand, makes the first move, uses her head, has goals, assertive – but also is traditionally feminine – beautiful, funny, has limitations (i.e. she’s kind of short), *sometimes* needs the male to intervene/protect. But it doesn’t mean she becomes worthless; it means she’s a human female living in a modern America.

    I’m not saying at all Twilight has to become some high-lit reading (believe me, I can’t stand egghead writers like that) but Meyer does sling around some lingo that really doesn’t fit with Bella’s simplistic tone. Slips in character, missteps, some odd creepiness (not the age gap, the ‘watching you sleep without you knowing’-thing), and a vapid female lead paired with a ‘too perfect’ and only of importance because he’s ‘hot’ (how many normal nice guys did Bella blow off?) are what drive me nuts.

    All I’m asking is that you do respect the haters – such as myself – who do have clear, well-thought reasons about why we don’t like it. Realize the limitations, enjoy the popcorn fiction. But know all I ask is that you see a woman can be modern & ‘feminist’ as well as classical and the ‘damsel-in-distress’. Versatility is interesting. Duality is interesting. Cardboard is not.

    Now, for me to go to sleep!

  93. Naomi
    July 22, 2009

    Okay, I read the Twilight book back when it first came out in 2005 and before this whole Twilight-mania began. The only reason why it became so big is because a movie came out and a hot dude played the role of Edward. I finished reading the whole series and still I couldn’t like it.
    In reality the books are poorly written and I don’t know how in the world was Meyer able to get them turned into a movie, let alone published. The movie is way off and just BAD.
    My little sister is crazy for Twilight just like every pre teen. Has society gone stupid? Even moms are going crazy for this sissy book. It DOES make the female weak and dependent upon the male. New Moon really pissed me off! I’m not a feminist but as a woman you do get tired of girls being portrayed as everyday girls gone goo-goo gaga over a beautiful boy. Books have defiantly lost their touch and new authors just can’t seem to get it right these days.
    For every person who likes Twilight, to each their own, but don’t try to pull that Twilight-is-the-best-book-ever crap. To those who KNOW a good book, we’ll just stick to Anne Rice and Cynthia Leitich Smith

    P.S. Bella is a Mary Sue, and Edward is portrayed as beautiful which to me is weird; guys are suppose to be handsome. Twilight is okay for when you’re young and blind but to call it a good book as an adult or even a teen is disappointing. GET SOME COMMON SENSE!

  94. vampychronicles
    July 25, 2009

    Couldn’t agree with this review more. It’s witty and well-reasoned, and, well, pretty much everything that S. Meyer’s writing is not. Kudos.

  95. missra
    July 26, 2009

    Very good review! I agree totally. The portrayal of women is what bothered me the most too. I think the disgustingly mushy romance gag-me descriptions were a close second though. No, I can’t say close…but seriously…

  96. Tyraina
    July 28, 2009

    Well I LOVE Twilight! 🙂
    Yeaaah, whaaat?!

  97. ana
    August 11, 2009

    I agree 100% that twilight is the worst book out there!!!! im a former fan and after really looking at the books and seeing them for what they are..there nothing but damaging to young girls!!!! it gives them this twisted perception of love, which, is totally wrong.

    Honestly, i’ve read different types of books such as fantasy (Chronicles of Narnia, Lord of the Rings, Pride and Prejudice and so on)…However, this book has horrible grammar and plain characters!!!! What kind of message are we putting out there?? That it’s okay for girls to destroy and change themselves for a man who can only hurt them?? What are we going..back to the dark ages?

  98. Isabella Connors
    August 14, 2009

    I completley agree with this review. I am 14 years old and I know exactly how it feels to be the only teenager in my family, in my school, who can not stand the series. What’s even worse, is everybody assumes I’m a fan based on my name. Isabella Marie. I’ve gone by Bella since I was 3 and now I can’t even do that without looking like a hypocrite for hating the saga. Ugh. There are so many reasons I hate this book.
    1)I actually like Bella at the beginning of Twilight. She seens intelligent,has a backbone and a strong personality. Then the first hot guy she happens to see, she falls in lust with. I only know Edward’s personality based on the little bits and pieces I get from the writing, not be Bella’s commenting on it.
    2) In Eclipse, she claims to be so selfless and pure, then hounds after Edward to turn her immortal. Honestly, I think the idea of living forever appeals to her more than loving Edward for eternity.
    3) It’s creepy to see how many teenage girls at my high school try to act like her. They change their whole personality to model after her themselves after her. They drop their boyfriends in search of their perfect Edward, and waste away their time waiting for him to come. I even heard on the news in late 2008 that some girls were trying to purposefully break their legs so they could be like Bella. That’s incredibly dangerous! Doesn’t anyone else seem to see what a total brain-washing tool Twilight is?

  99. Catherine L
    August 17, 2009

    the title of this article is “why i hate twilight”. so, all the twilight “luvers” leaving their comments on here…seriously, why? you know what this article is going to be about.
    i love this article. all the articles written by people who dislike twilight with a passion always know how to back it up well while those who “luv” it fail to explain to us sane ones why its so gosh darned good.
    i’m sixteen. a junior in high school. i am a former fan who liked the books when it was just ONE book and I am also proud to say that twilight is at the bottom of my reading list. i read twilight after i had already been exposed to some great literature so i’m sure that’s what saved me from becoming a mindless-raving-twilight-obsessed teen. maybe those nine year olds reading it will change their mind when they’re introduced to To Kill A Mockingbird, Of Mice and Men, The Great Gatsby, and other fantastic timeless books. there are so many ridiculous things about this series. this book is so bad for young girls. when they find out what the real world is like and how you actually have to WORK at a relationship with someone else, that it’s not just looks and smell and whatever, that make a man want to stick by your side, they’re going to get a rude awakening. and then for those women saying, “well, at least its getting my daughter to read instead of watch tv” is just plain stupid. this book is a hypocrite in and of itself.

  100. Julia
    August 18, 2009

    Besides all of these well put things did anyone noticed it expressed a large amount of the mournan religion. Don’t have sex befor you are married you know save yourself for 100 years then when bells gets married she pops out a kid. It is just total bull what they are trying to impress into are generations heads and she got married at 18

  101. morgane
    August 20, 2009

    Its not so much the book thats so bad but the publicity its getting!The way I see it anything that just comes from nowhere to be so populer is not worth my time.Why dosent stephanie mayer come to the real world??!!great review by the way Eve

  102. Katherine
    August 22, 2009

    The thing that’s anoyed me, is that the book is advertised everywhere that it’s clouding out others that i think should be given a chance. i have to admit the books are adictive and i think that the author has done a great job. but….as an author myself i think that they needed a little more depth more action and less of the love sinareo. i mean seventeen???? it’s just a little too young to fall in love at that year and not get bord…
    but back to my view, i think that it’s over taken the whole book industry and other books aren’t being seen, such as The house of night novels. i think they are unbelievable and would give the twilight saga a run for their money at any rate. it just seems to me….maybe a bit selfish that other authers who in my opinion have written fantastic novels aren’t being noticed because Twilight’s taken up all the space… i mean i went into a book shop the other day and all i could see was Twilight everywhere….i’m not discouraging the book i do personaly think that it is a good novel but i would like to see an even balance of books throughout the industry. it’s putting people like me and many other authors in the shadows because it’s take up all the room. i even think that harry potter has been shoved out of the light a bit.

  103. Katherine
    August 22, 2009

    P.S i have read the series and i do know about books, since i am an author. So no one can say your just a fussy woman who just wants more for her book becuase it’s not as advertised at Twilight. I actualy fully suport other authors. But this is crazy. Yes the book is a good read but it’s not mind stopping. In fact i’d never even heard of the books untill the movie came out and i doubt that many of you had either. Everywhere i go it’s Twilight all the time. it’s a great read for teens me being a teen i would know. But some of the things in the book like in ‘Breaking dawn’ are a but OTT for younger viewers and i think that that should be stated on the book. Apart from that i think the author is good and so are the books. But this is a little rediculous….it’s gone a bit over the top. I think that over time when all the films have come out then it’ll die down and after a year or two it’ll be gone. Other books like Harry potter and Lord of the rings etc. Will last forever.
    Great review Eve.

  104. Davis
    August 24, 2009

    Hi, I was a domestic violence case manager for years. Many people that I knew read this book and so I thought I should read it too to know what all the “hubbub” was about. I had no preconceived ideas about this book except that it was about vampires and a love story. I read half the book and had a panic attack because it brought so many memories of the stories I heard over and over again from abused women. I did not finish the book because I so distraught. I cried and remembered, for I had not thought of these survivors in over a year since I switched jobs, about the survivors and hoped that their lives were better. I had a very long conversation with my 12 year old daughter about this book! I told her if she was going to read this book we would have to volunteer at a domestic violence shelter. We had a very long conversation about control and domestic violence. She laughed and told me she had no interest in reading this book. She is reading a book called Boy vs girl about gender issues and she loves it. Thanks goodness there are other books for kids to read besides this dribble.

  105. Isabel
    August 25, 2009

    Well I’got the book but in the first tow pages I knew how it all was going to end so I put it down and slept, for this was such a boring, predictable, pompous reading.

    Yep, this book is going to be one of those things that in a couple of year people would hide and feel shame about it, just like disco roller.

    I guess teenagers don’t realize how poorly it was written, since they haven’t read another book in their short life.

    Good review, I found it very accurate.

  106. Tara
    August 26, 2009

    Hmm… I love twilight and I am ten years old. I love the series, but I do agree with most of this atricle. It is addictove, and I was up in my room when I had nothing else to do from the time the sun went up to 10:00 the next day (the book was finsihed) and I loved it. I do not agree about loathing it like you do, however I do find it weird that Edward loves Bella for her smell and Bella loves Edward for his SPARKLY skin. Just to let you know, I am a ten year old and my mom says I’m mature (not just because she’s my mom) and she had asked so see a review for teh ages on yahoo! answers and it had given her a repsonse saying: if their mature. I do think that Breaking Dawn would be a little too bad for me to read, though, because of the baby and making out and sex. But the simple truth is, if you hated it so much why did you continue to read the book? That is wrong to continue and then write on the Internet about why you hate it. This is why I like it;

    1. Bella and Edward have a sweet connection (even though they love eachother for the same reason.

    2. Warewolves and Vampires

    3. The volutiri are cool to read about

    4. Victoria+ Alice; my favorite characters… they have a mind of their own and aren’t afraid to show it.

    5. It’s the only book I would stay up in my room for hours and would only take a break tp use the bathroom.

    6. It was like my own little ascape to fantasy.

    7. There are parts it’s funny (not thinking about the errors and cheesy parts here)

    8. Even though Bella goes on and on about how awesome Edward looks, I still think that was good description and that it was well written (even though after some while it just got borning reading about it)

    9. ‘Your like a drug to me. My own personal heroin’ this is totally awesome.

    10. Twilight DOES say ‘said’ in the book(s) and I’ve read that it doesn’t in sokme articles (not yours) so that prooves that Twilight haters are liers…

    That is why I like Twilight. But we all have differnt opinions… just be happy you weren’t forced to read a book you didn’t want to read… but deep down we all know you liked it ebcaise you picked the book up within 10 minutes after throwing the book. Doesn’t really make since.

  107. Yasmin
    September 1, 2009

    Finally! Someone who agrees with me. Bella is a freaking imbecciiillle.
    She does whatever that retard vampire tells her to. The movie made me laugh because it sucked so bad. It is something written by satan 😀
    STEPHENIE-FREAKING-MEYER IS SATAN. People are obsessed with something so retarded. I seriously can’t express how much I hate twilight.

  108. Edward (Sadly)
    September 11, 2009

    Yes, my name is really Edward. Do not make fun of me. DX

    I believe that you really hit Twilight’s weak points– No progress, Bella’s a clumsy Mary Jane. I perhaps would read Twilight if it had a good plotline and a stronger Bella– I think that girls who are strong and know what they want for themselves are MUCH more attractive than the girls who let guys boss them around because, a) they are afraid the guy will leave, b)will not like her, ect.

    Keep writing such interesting and LOL-envoking reviews!

    I have made everyone call me Ed since the book was released– because I don’t want to share the name of a creepy stalker vampire.

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  110. Ana
    September 14, 2009

    Thank you. You are absolutely, truly right in all that you’ve said. This is a mindless book for mindless teenage girls, and it is sad to see such little girls, who are ripe for influence, reading these appalling books. I thought we lived in the 21st century, not the centuries before when women had to obey what the men said.

  111. Tasses
    September 15, 2009

    Found you through the Hush, Hush review link. This one Twilight post sent me to the subscribe tab.

  112. mouse
    October 19, 2009

    very very good. there were several things i hated about it and you summed it up. but your real point was what i also realized, that she is not only a mary- sue and edward not only a glistering (!) prince. but that they are are very dangerous mixture. i am so happy that i dont have any relatives in the age of twilight- reading. i would rip it off their hands! for gods sake, that book should be damned, censured, whatever. and they wanted to censure a book like “speak”!!!

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  115. rosie
    October 25, 2009

    LOL i love this reveiw 😄
    I’m thirteen and battling with nearly all of my friends about Twilight. When i try and tell them about Edwards constant abusiveness they all just tell me ‘it’s only because he’s scared of losing her.” WTF. Its like someone going ‘yeah, i’m scared of losing you so im gonna manipulate you.’ hmmmmmmm…
    at least a few of my friends have kept sanity and it isnt just twilight this twilight that. im alsomates with quite a few guys and they all think its *@!£. oh and i have read all the books and i think the reason renesmee grows up so fast is that ms meyer didnt want to spend a whole book writing about caring for a baby.
    Unfortunately the film is worse. by the end i was wondering why the hell i hadnt killed myself. seriously. whyy were they determined to make us all lose the will to live???

  116. Jessy
    October 26, 2009

    THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

    You have given voice to everything I’ve felt! I bow before you in AWE!

    You are a blinding light in the opressive darkness that is Twilight!

    ((Drones on and on in an eloquent and over flowery fashion.))

    P.S.

    I am SICK of Twi-tards…

    =~=

  117. pennybloom
    October 31, 2009

    I could not agree more. In fact I did agree quite verbosely. See my Blog: Twilight on Feminism and Howling at New Moon: The End of the World is Nigh!

    http://persistenceofperception.blogspot.com/2009/10/scary-stuff-for-halloween-twilight-on.html

    Thank you for being a rational voice in an irrational world.

    Clarisa Brown

  118. zimnomel
    November 1, 2009

    It is so comforting to see that I am not the only normal girl left in the universe…
    I owe you a big THANK YOU.
    Really, I just cannot understand why on Earth would anybody read this piece of rubbish. It does not deserve the paper it was printed on. Truly. This so-called book is depressing, unimaginative, dumb, poorly written, and so unbelievably boring that it isn’t even funny. I started reading it because some of friends were so enthusiastic about it (yeah, well-known story…), and when I was about to go and shoot Meyer to prevent her from fabricate more, ehrmm, “novels” (so just after the first 50 pages), I gave up and read a wikipedia summary instead. That proved to be way more interesting.
    Poor trees. This is the main reason why the rainforests are vanishing.
    How sad…
    Anyway, I’m glad that I found this page. Life seems happy again. =)

  119. Marshmallow
    November 1, 2009

    i hate it when my boyfriend trys to tell me what to do, or tell my friends to “shut up”. he says hes jokeing but i know hes not. i feel the girls should be in control most of the time because guys always think there better than us.like last week he got all mad at me because my ex boyfriend was telling me about his new girlfriend, where still friends, its like he dosent trust me.

  120. Gemm
    November 2, 2009

    To be quite honest you all have your own opinions, you dont like the book? fair enough, but me.. im in love with them 😉 and im 16, no 8 or 9 year old!

  121. Marshmallow
    November 4, 2009

    thats all good , i never said i hated them, i just think its not fair for bella to just do watever he wants her to.

  122. Diana Dang
    November 9, 2009

    Great way to put Twilight in perspective. 🙂 Never liked it and the fans just make me want to burn the novel even more. 😄

  123. marshmallow
    November 9, 2009

    so true ❤

  124. Twilighthater
    November 11, 2009

    i didnt know twilight even existed until just about every girl in my class started asking me “do you read twilight?”.

    i read a bit of the book from my library and i loathed it within one page of reading.

    what scares me most is how people become so engrossed in a piece of writing that it takes over thier lives. i read lord of the rings, i loved it, but i dont pretend i’m tom bombadil and start infatuating over the characters.

    i dont have a female brain, so i might not understand what the big deal is about, but *whats so good about twilight??* theres MUCH better books around, many of which have a deeper, more three dimensional storyline and realistic characters that leave you with a realistic view of society.

    I pray that ever growing, horrid smelling pile of BS will be gone by the time stephanie meyers has made her last film.

  125. rosie
    November 17, 2009

    i read this comment on amazon and decided it was amazing:
    isnt a bipolar stalking you the very image of love?
    😉

  126. Mary
    November 18, 2009

    This is an amazing review! You sum it all up so perfectly! Kudos!!

  127. nina k.
    November 18, 2009

    Bella & Edward are like Spencer and Heidi Pratt. Too perfect to even care about.

  128. Divya
    November 18, 2009

    yeah, i hate twilight too. but can i just say, i rekon its the same sad people posting over and over with different names. but hey. some girls are completly obsesed with it (so much so they missed school to go and see the premiere of new moon) and its just pathetic.

  129. Sophia
    November 18, 2009

    Hi, I found the review by accident and I was pleased to find out that there is some people who actually are tired to give atention and praise to a book, or story that is not that great, followed by all this twilight senseless media. I must confess that Ive read the book because you can’t have a valid opinion about something you haven’t experienced yourself. All I can say is that It may be an “entertaining book for young readers” and nothing else. I didn’t like it because the girl the character is nothing more than a teen age girl who is obsesed by the looks and wealth of a “vampire” ( or may I say the tipical high school popular guy, who has it all and is secretly manipulative, spies on her at night and oh has some strage fetish with the way she smells) ; the girl in the book is obviously lacking of self-estem, since she only lives to please her high school boyfriend. I just wan;t to say that from start to the very end of the so called love story is nothing is sort of portraying the image of a submisive girlfriend, women my guess is that with out all the fantasy involved in true life that girl is going to drop out of high school, get married , have kids and be abused by her husband.

  130. Henry
    November 22, 2009

    Just imagine how it is for the people who live in the vicinity of Forks, WA.

    As I do.

    There are Twilight Stores, and Twilight tours, and signs in the local businesses where parts of the story take place.

    But my personal hate for it certainly includes all of the reasons stated in the original post, and goes beyond that to a pasteurization of a horror genre. I blame Anne Rice for that part of it.

  131. shelby
    November 26, 2009

    true story, (need help)
    so i fell maddley in love with this guy, then he fell in love with me and ended up going out, happy ending right, WRONG!!!!! he became so chiledish, i hate it. is ex is telling me to dump him ,but i dont want to hurt him,. and then i fell in love with one of his best friends!!!! what should i do!?! oh ya and 10 seconds after he asked me out, he asked me what my name was!!! OMG!!!! plz help,

    i was wrighting this because it reminded me of twilight, you know ebwared,bella, and so on.

    so if you have anything that could help me, plz say so. =/

  132. Phoebe
    November 26, 2009

    OMFG
    Twilight is the worst!!
    ALL OF MY FRIENDS ARE SO OBSESSED WITH IT AND I AM TIRED OF IT!!!!!!! ARGGG
    I hate it so much….

  133. Hæley
    November 26, 2009

    GAH! I’m sick of this attitude people seem to have where they assume all children are easily influenced!! I read Twilight when I was 8-ish, and I personally got bored out of my mind very quickly with the fact that Bella is…shall we say, a few buttons short of a cardigan…

    ~An Impression~

    “Ohmagod Edward’s so pretty, Edward Edward Edward, he looks dead and doesn’t go out when the sun is shining properly, and he talks like he is 180-years-old*, also he appears to read thoughts, but surely that can’t mean anything, ohmagod he’s so pretty BLABLABLA etc.”

    Like, isn’t it obvious?? HE’S A VAMPIRE, YOU DOZY COW! (she obviously didn’t read the blurb hehe). A year later I read Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicles, which were far better (name something that ISN’T better than Twilight), probably because the characters weren’t one-dimensional, the writing wasn’t littered with mediocre adjectives and there was no SPARKLINESS! FFS, VAMPIRES AREN’T SUPPOSED TO SPARKLE!! IT’S STUPID!! (apologies for the sudden outburst, but if I’m writing about Twilight, there will probably be a few more).

    Maybe it would be better if it wasn’t for its fans. Obviously having an opinion is illegal (or at least it would be if the majority of Twilight fans were running the country) or else I would freely be able to say ‘I think Twilight sucks’ (no puns intended) without being bombarded with THIS:

    “IT DOES NOT IT IS AWESOME YOUR JUST JEALOUS BECAUSE YOU DON’T LIKE TWILIGHT”

    True story, someone actually said that to me. We have as much of a right to hate it as they do to like it, don’t we?

    And to conclude, has anyone noticed the spelling-error-ridden replies Twilight fans have sent to this? I know why they can’t spell. They read Twilight too often.

    *Cue Twi-hard (excuse the unintentional pun once again) fans stating Edward’s REAL age.

  134. Lauren
    December 3, 2009

    your right. The book is poorly written, the plot is lame, but Bella KILLS the whole thing. Bella is a stupid charictor. I only read new moon (had no idea about the series at that point) Edward, sweet, perfect, glorious Edward DUMPED HER!!!! she’s 17 with her whole life ahead of her school to worry about, live boys to meet and what does she do? descends into a depression for -what was it?- 4 months. And where is her father???? what kind of a parent is oblivious to his daughters unhealthy obsession with her highschool fling? He has no Idea that edwards in her room every night, he dosn’t care that she spends all day every day unsupervised with this jacob guy and where was he when she took off to that other countrey with Alice, edwards sister. If you asked me, this fictional disgrace of a women is the product of a fictional disgrace of a parent

  135. Lauren
    December 3, 2009

    shelby, you don’t understand love yet. but It’s ok, I’m guessing your very young so just have fun for now

  136. Twilight Poster
    December 4, 2009

    I agree shelby, you just have to give it a chance. It’s a forbidden love story, imagine being desperately in love with someone and you could not have each other.

  137. DerekT
    December 11, 2009

    Hi Eve,

    I’ve never read any of Twilight but I congratulate you on a well-written and engaging piece of writing, yourself. I think – from the opinions I’ve read here – that a lot is riding on the author’s intentions. Anything that sparks intelligent and inclusive debate like this has got to be a good thing.

    On the plus side – for me – I know where to come when I want a warts ‘n’ all review of my fantasy novel Covenant, if it sees the light of day next year!

    Cheers,

    Derek

  138. rosie
    December 11, 2009

    damnit new moon is out now :(…

  139. rosie
    December 11, 2009

    lol has anyone here read midnight sun?
    Edward is obsessive. and extremely boring. His descriptions go on for pages without saying ANYTHIING.
    Oh yes – SM isnt writing this because she isnt in ‘the zone.’
    AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH! She comes out with a load of pompus twaddle on her website (just dont ask me why i was there)

  140. Fish
    December 11, 2009

    Each to their own, and it’s certainly a well thought-out review (I hate when people slag off twilight without reading/watching it) but I still really enjoyed all the books. But thanks for writing this, it’s interesting if nothing else.

  141. WHO CARES
    December 26, 2009

    READ ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE BOOKS BEFORE YOU POST SOMETHING I HAVE READ ALL OF THE BOOKS THREE TIMES AND YESTERDAY I GOT THE MOVIE FOR CHRISTMAS AND WATCHED IT 4 TIMES AND I HAD ALREADY READY SEEN IT 3 TIMES AND I WATCHED NEW MOON WITH MY FRIEND TAE’ IF YOU ASK ME ANY THING ABOUT TWILIGHT I CAN ANWSER IT I EVEN KNOW THE POPULATION OF FORKS 3,120 IN THE MOVIE BUT IN THE BOOK IT IS 3,128 I LOVE TWILIGHT IT IS MY FAVORITE SAGA EVE PLEASE READ NEW MOON ECLIPSE AND BREAKING DAWN WATCH THE MOVIES THEY HAVE OUT TWILIGHT THE MOVIE HAS THE PART WHERE EDWARD AND JAMES FIGHT

  142. Emily
    December 27, 2009

    who cares, most of us HAAAAVE read all the books. and the fact that u no the population means……well, how sad can u get? and Fish, hey, u’ve changed ur tack…..

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  144. WHO CARES
    January 9, 2010

    EMILY I WAS TALKING ABOUT EVE . EVE ONLY READ ONE BOOK.

  145. Shannon
    January 16, 2010

    i love twilight but i can totally understand everything you’ve said…there were points in book when i was WTF and some were just tooo cringworthy.
    after all the ‘i love yous’ and the forever crap all i can say is WHY did he leave her (i know what happened in New Moon so i can get that bit) and why say all that stuff in the first book and the go back on his word.
    you’re right about the whole Bella bit and that actually annoys me ALOT.

    i agree..very addictive

    loved the review !

  146. edward
    January 24, 2010

    Omg, I just saw most of the movie and I can’t believe this garbage was popular. First of all vampires don’t “shine like diamonds” they burn in the sun. How could you keep all the characteristics of a vampire and then change one of the most important weaknesses. And why is this Edward still in high school? He should know biology like the back of his hand. And why is he chasing a young girl? Pervert. And what does that say about bella chasing an old man? Tart. And omg I can’t finish this post. I am so upset. Sorry peeps I’m not a hormone rattled teenager with girly parts. I hate this story and shame on you who loved it.

  147. Mr.E
    January 24, 2010

    I just watched the Twilight movie, and I have to get it out of my system: WHAT A TERRIBLE AND BORING MOVIE! I know I’m a guy and I don’t understand the love between two high school teens who know all about love and are dangeriously obsessed with each other, but come on! I can only say this on the internet for my safety: I HATE TWILLIGHT! I figured if i watched it I could understand the craze but I can’t. Vampires are monsters, when did they become the “perfect ideal” for men? There were a couple of scenes where I wasn’t completely wishing it was over, but mostly it was boring, had horrible acting, and seemed pointless. That’s all I have to say, and I am glad I said it. I will be glad the day Vampires return to the way they’re supposed to: Blood sucking fearsome monsters. But right now a vampire craze has started a wave of vampire themed movies and shows, wonder why?

  148. rosie
    January 27, 2010

    Has anyone seriously managed to get past Bella’s depression in New Moon?

  149. Aimee
    February 2, 2010

    Personally, i think if you hate twilight that much then just dont read it and have done with it, dont get annoyed over it.
    I personally love twilight because it could never happen in real life, because she’s so dependant on edward!!!
    i also love it because it’s perfect escapist readin
    stephanie meyer didn’t write it upon fact!!! i mean its about a vampire for god sake!!
    The main reason i love twilight is that you get lost in the book!!!
    When im in a bad mood it helps too! just think about edwards perfectness!!!
    but i will agree on one thing, this book is mega addictive
    read them all 3 times!! class!

  150. Caryn
    February 17, 2010

    I came across this lovely rant while researching WHY this series seems to be so addictive (YES–DRUGS IN THE PAPER!!!) and here’s the thing….while everyone seems fairly content to bash the books, I have to disagree on several points. First, let me give you a brief background. I am 30 years old–not a teenybopper, I am a writer and I had VOWED to NOT read these books. Seriously–I had no interest. Then, while Christmas’ing with my sister, I finished the novel that I had been reading and borrowed “Twilight” from my 14 year old niece. I WAS HOOKED. I ravenously read through all 4 books and am repeating the process as we speak.

    I think that, at the end of the day, the plot appeals to many women–young and old(er) alike! At the heart of the story there are two people (one “human” and one vamp) who love each other despite the obstacles. Despite their individual flaws. And they save each other. While many of you may deconstruct the books to find all of the areas where Bella appears “spineless”–you should know that in the end, the entire family is saved because of HER. At the end, she fully comes into her own. Fully finds herself and in the process, is able to do what no other character is able to–save the day.

    Peace.

  151. Driston Galvao
    March 11, 2010

    it’s not thaaat bad

  152. Han
    March 12, 2010

    Brief intro, I’m a 14 year old female who loves reading. I go to highschool and everyone there is carrying Twilight to class and chatting away about it. So I was curious and read all four books.

    So I read Twilight, I didn’t think it was that bad except that Bella had no personality and Edward didn’t seem to have any character traits except protective and there wasn’t much of a plot. Oh and I thought it was overrated. I still mildly enjoyed it though, it was kinda a “Enjoyed-it-despite..” type of book.

    Then the other three books, waiting for character development and a plot. I’m still waiting.

    I disliked New Moon and Eclipse, and hated Breaking Dawn. Now before I get the whole “OMG-Why did you keep reading if you hated it?” I was waiting for the twist in the story, the part that the first three books leads up to, I was expecting an engaging plot line and hoping for at least some character development.

    Argh, I’m so sick of the comment “At least it’s getting people who don’t normally read into reading”

    This book is setting up terrible examples for females, such as:

    – Throw away your life for your highschool boyfriend. Don’t worry- you’ll have a fairytale ending.

    -Don’t worry about VCE, that’s not important in the slightest.

    – Un-protected sex is okay, you’ll end up with a beautiful baby girl who can communicate with you perfectly from birth. Oh an of course you’ll get your pre-baby figure back instantly.

    – Forget your family and friends when you get a boyfriend, he’s the most important thing.

    The characters are just made to conviently fit the plot, such as how Charlie never checks up on Bella and doesn’t really mind that she turns into something thats not human. Bella’s mother is never called on for support or friendship. The books are full of Edwards family and friends/enemies but Bella doesn’t even have any friends worth keeping in contact with from before she moved. The group of Jessica, Angela, Mike etc were extremely friendly on Bella’s first day- unrealistically though, yet she has no problem ditching them on numerous occasions.

    There are NO unpretictable plot twists. None. No character flaws when there should have been and Bella has no original thoughts although the book makes out like she is so unique.

    The crazy fan girls are driving me crazy! Here’s a quote from the website “MLIT- My Life Is Twilight”
    – Today I put glitter on my boyfriend and made him stand in the freezer section at work so he could be more like Edward.

    I find that sad. If you think that’s normal then your view is mucked up. I seriously hope it was a joke.

    First thought once putting the last book down- What the hell is going to be Edwards new hobby now he can’t look out for Bella all day and night?

    And to address the comments that will say “Your sad because you spend all this time ranting about something you hate”
    Well actually I enjoy critiquing books and Twilight is something that affects my life everyday because I go to highschool (although the hype has gone down lately- Thank goodness!) And I think that people should be looking behind the love story to what messages it sends, so in a way I like to educate with this as well.

  153. Anna
    March 13, 2010

    I couldn’t agree more with your review!
    I read the entire twilight series because my friends recommended it to me. Well… more like forced me into reading it. Ever since I was young, I have always loved vampires, so I thought I would give it a shot; see what all the hype is about.
    After I read the entire series, I was greatly disappointed. I felt the characters to be underdeveloped and have serious mental problems.
    Then my friends continue to tell me, “This is the best book ever! This is the best vampire book ever written.”

    I was absolutely astonished.

    My friends and I are seniors in high school and this silly vampire book is the best book they have ever read? Best vampire book they have ever read?
    What happened to all the classic vampire books? Anne Rice’s Vampire Chronicle? Dracula by Bram Stoker? What happened to books that are considered to be the best? Great Gatsby by F. Scott Fitzgerald? Catcher in the Rye by J.D. Salinger? Of Mice and Men by John Steinbeck?
    These may not be popular teenage books, but there are excellent vampire books available to teenagers like Bloodline by Kate Cary which is a clever combination of action, romance, mystery and history.

    My friends argued that, “Twilight isn’t like any other vampire books”
    Indeed, vampires never used glitter on themselves before Edward.
    If they wanted a vampire book that is different, I told them to read Sunshine by Robin McKinley which depicts vampires in a whole new way.

    Bella is obsessed with Edward and can’t live without him. Is it only me who thinks she needs serious psychiatric help? Every teenage girl has gone through the stage of “I can’t live without him!” Twilight almost seems to be encouraging that. To me it’s saying “it’s okay to be in an unhealthy relationship”.
    Edward is on and off with Bella and he wants to kill her! He watches her as she sleeps even! Can anyone say… restraining order?
    Also Bella’s father is handsoff with his daughter. He never asks where she has been, what she has been doing. What happened to parenting?
    It’s just promoting extremely unhealthy relationships when teenagers are already struggling with themselves. It’s just making matters worse.

    Edward is too perfect and too bipolar at the same time. If I knew him, I would recommend him to a psychologist for a serious mental evaluation.

    When did vampires become weak? All the vampires have going for them in the series are good looks and an unhealthy obsession with glitter.

    What happened to the vampire Lestat? The rockstar vampire who not only was charming and extremely good looking, but brutal at the same time! He killed ruthlessly and charmed anyone who met him.
    What happened with the inner conflicts that vampires have? Even Harry Potter was conflicted with himself! Edward’s only conflict is “Should I suck her blood? Should I not?”

    I would have been perfectly fine with the books if so many teenage girls and their mom’s aren’t obsessed with it. Now I just want to smack anyone who tells me “twilight is awesome!” I hope this vampire phase passes quickly.

  154. Meh
    March 30, 2010

    @Driston Galvao Yes it is.

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  156. Allie
    April 19, 2010

    Oh Wow. You people have nothing better to do! Alot of people enjoy these series I’m one of them. Stephane described each sentence with such detail and if you people were smart you would know the book is much more than an “obessive cursh” seriously people. How many of you who judged read the books and seen the movies? I understand everyone has a different opinion but, wow critising people who enjoy twilight making them feel like they don’t recognize good talent or rubbish. It’s just sad. Like my mom says “If you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say it.” Simple as that. I use to have the same idea of Twilight but then I read the series and I completely fell in love with it. My friends say it’s gay but, they haven’t read the books so it’s annoying!! Gosh you people act like 5 year olds fighting over whose mommy s better. GROW UP! Once you read the books and seen the movies and still don’t like oh well. But keep the rude ratings to yourself no one cares if you like it or not. I Liked your review but, read all the books and stop posting this C*** it’s annoying. How would you like it if people critisize you. Not Just on your favorite books but on you? Well Think about that. So stop complaining And GROW UP

  157. Allie
    April 19, 2010

    Oh and one more thing. How the FUCK would you people know if vampires shine or burn in the fuckin sun? Just asking! And Eve why the fuck would a 9 year old or younger child in that matter read these books? They won’t understand half of the fucken words! And if they take it the wrong way thats their fault.

  158. Han
    April 19, 2010

    To Allie,
    Just asking a question here, why don’t you think that we have the right to critique books or write our opinion? That’s all we’re doing here. If you don’t want to hear critique of the Twilight series don’t go to a post titled ‘Why I hate Twilight’.

    To the oh-so-original ‘You have nothing better to do’ line, well don’t you have nothing better to do then read posts (and comments it looks like) against a book you enjoy? We’re reviewing and discussing a book series in a (mostly) mature way here, I enjoy it and I know plenty of other people also do.

    Also, I personally and a few others said how many of the books or movies they could stand so you see about how many actually read them, there’s probably more though.

    “Gosh you people act like 5 year olds fighting over whose mommy s better. GROW UP!” -Allie
    “Like my mom says “If you don’t have anything good to say, don’t say it.”
    -Allie
    Maybe you should take your mother’s advice?

    “How would you like it if people critisize you. Not Just on your favorite books but on you?”
    Well you’re doing that in your post and honestly I feel it is completely unjustified and so it doesn’t feel that bad, just annoying.

    In order to answer your question about how we know vampires don’t sparkle in the sun….VAMPIRES ARE NOT REAL. We are refering to the years of fiction writing and movies that have created the vampire myth that was abused by S. Meyer.

    “no one cares if you like it or not” Pardon me for asking but didn’t you just make a lengthy post detailing how immature we were for not like the series? It looks like you care that we don’t like it.

    To address the comment you made comparing us to 5 year olds fighting about our mommys, Actually we’re talking about the effects of this book in teenagers today.
    “It’s just promoting extremely unhealthy relationships when teenagers are already struggling with themselves. It’s just making matters worse.” -Anna

    If there is anything else in your comment that you thought was of value, point it out to me and I’ll address it.

    -Han

  159. Kim
    May 18, 2010

    I’m not really one to say anything about this book, I honestly haven’t read it. But I have seen the movie and the same people that tell me that they love the series and love the book, love the movie. Sorry but I thought the movie was aweful. Their acting was atrocious, from what some people have told me about the book and compared it to the movie…Edward is supposed to be hot…correct? And some of the other vampires in Edward’s “clan” (I’m not sure what they call it in Twilight) were way hotter. Like that one that looked scared all the time HOTTIE! A lot of my friends were forced by their girlfriends to read the book, they couldn’t get half way through the thing without being sick of knowing how “perfect” Edward’s chest is… Also I think this series will give the young readers, such as the 9 year olds that honestly do read Twilight, a false hope that this is actually what things will be like when they get older. I know somone who cried when Hagrid didn’t come get them on their birthday. Do we really need children reading about how perfect they wont be when they get older? I think not.

    But btw I love you Han cause you wrote down exactly what I thought about when I read what Allie wrote 🙂

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  161. sandy
    August 10, 2010

    WOOHOO Agreed.

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  163. Syeira
    February 10, 2011

    I appreciated this article. After watching the first three movies I decided that the Twilight novels were absolutely reprehensible. I couldn’t understand how anyone could like it, and it seemed that none of the fans had any justified reasons for why the novels were so good. Unable to bring myself to actually reading the novels, I settled for a blog that gave snarky chapter synopses. And then I figured it out.

    I am Bella Swan. She has all of my worst qualities–plain, talentless, low self-esteem. And Edward was the perfect guy, having absolutely no ambitions except to be there and provide…well…everything–loving family, big house, fancy cars, lots of money, free education, his “hot” body, great sex, etc. It IS an escapist fantasy, and that’s fine. But I’ll agree with Eve on this: Bella is the worst example of a heroine if there ever was, because I wouldn’t want to exist in a universe where I had absolutely no agency or sense of self save what’s given to me by my man. What the hell?

  164. Cheekysweet
    February 14, 2011

    I love your opinions – I have read all four books, am 25 and married and I love and hate the books! It’s almost like I can’t explain it – but luckily I just about can.
    I love the way the books suck you in and it’s almost impossible to put the books down. I don’t mind too much that the vampires sparkle – authors are allowed their own visions and versions, so it’s sort of easy to allow. I like the natures of each character, all barring the main two…
    I really don’t like the way Bella surrenders her will completely and entirely to Edward. I believe in being strong willed, truthful and dependant on myself for most things, and Bella doesn’t seem to have any of these qualities.
    Edward is a borderline psychopath stalker that in real life would probably have a few restraining orders under his belt and probably at least one jail term tucked neatly under there too, but he is a vampire – so scratch that – but you know what I’m talking about :S
    Their relationship is far from healthy, and ok, so I get the abstinence thing but seriously, no sex for a year and a half whilst in a relationship? Most people can’t wait for more than six months, even 14yr olds (which saddens me greatly of course). I personally believe in sexual compatability, and sex is actually a very important part of keeping a relationship together; it renews your bonds and keeps you stronger as a couple. What would have happened if either one of them had been totally crap in bed? Years of a sexless relationship usually ends in cheating/divorce/breaking up, doesn’t it?
    If I ignore their “RRRRAAARGH, I’M SO FIERCE AND BEAUTIFUL – LOVE ME!” “Ooooo, he’s so beautiful, I must love him!” relationship I can actually enjoy the books without too many problems. I can even skim over the religious bits Ms Meyer has subtly injected into the book – being an athiest they can be quite pronounced in my eyes but Meyer’s a Mormon, so I have allowed for the religious parts entertwined with the books and I hold nothing against her for that.
    I’m torn – this is not a cut case of love it or hate it, this is something that can’t quite be defined…

  165. Gifaffe
    March 18, 2011

    so, I’m wondering… I have a Facebook group called “Team… That one guy who almost ran bella over with his car” (just think how awesome it would be if tyler had killed her…) and i’m scouring the internet for things that very acurately explain why twilight isn’t a good book… i was wondering if i could use this (and give you complete credit for it) and make a note for that page?
    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=222916219645
    thanks 😀

  166. Eve Harvey
    March 18, 2011

    Gifaffe… yes, no problem. As long as you link back here you can use it. 🙂

  167. ameeramac
    June 2, 2011

    I soooooo agree!!! I could tell you why but I’d just be repeating myself. I mean, my dislike is pretty serious but you can read out it here:

    http://persephonemagazine.com/2011/06/twilight-americas-love-affair-with-dysfunctional-love/

  168. TotallyAgree(aka IHateTwilight)
    September 4, 2011

    Totally agree!! I hate Twilight!! And no, it’s not because of the hype or the crazy fangirls (though they make it a whole lot easier) I USED TO like it when i was 12 but I’ve moved onto better things like Harry Potter and The Vampire Diaries. Those have REAL characters with flaws and they develop much more. Bella’s a perfect character and SMeyer just tries to hide it by calling her clumsy.
    And does anyone know why she tries to explain EVERYTHING off with science? And then fail at it very badly?
    It’s teeming with grammatical and punctuation errors.

  169. M. Scorsetti
    November 20, 2011

    Thank you for writing this fair and reasonable bit on hating Twilight. I’ve more or less avoided the issue, but the recent influx of crazed Breaking Dawn fans was beginning to drive me nuts. Hating Twilight because it is poorly written with horrid characters is merely pedantic. There are TONS of bad books out there. Hating Twilight because it’s an author’s wet dream is petty.

    Hating Twilight because it romanticizes the state of being humiliated and controlled is a valid reason, and a very good one. Bella makes a horrible example for girls/women (whether they are 8, 16, or 46 does NOT matter). Bella’s personality is a blank slate; she lies and blames herself repeatedly. All of her sentiments and thoughts are completely borrowed. She swallows everything Edward says without question. She cannot live without Edward, and their “love” is topical and purely driven by hormones, guilt, hormones, and more guilt.
    And hormones.
    If I recall correctly, she even tried to end her own life after her sparkly boyfriend left her “for her own protection” (the only part that made the slightest bit of sense in the entire series). It’s all a great joke. If Stephanie Meyer was trying to market the Lack of Confidence, she has succeeded.

    And by the by: bringing Harry Potter and Twilight into the same argument is absolutely pointless. I grew up alongside Harry, and I gave ALL of the Twilight books a fighting chance, going so far as to watch all of the movies with my girlfriend. And believe me, they share nothing in common, technically and subjectively speaking. Comparing the two would be like discussing the significance of how similar/dissimilar rocks and air are.

    Thanks for the read. It’s calm and collected, but it’s got a great punch at the end. I really needed this. 🙂

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  172. PieLover
    February 26, 2013

    Ya put me off twilight I need a pie (sigh)

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